Legislature(1997 - 1998)

03/19/1997 03:40 PM Senate HES

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   JOINT SENATE AND HOUSE HEALTH, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL SERVICES                
                             COMMITTEE                                         
                          March 19, 1997                                       
                             3:40 p.m.                                         
                                                                               
 SENATE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                        
                                                                               
 Senator Gary Wilken, Chairman                                                 
 Senator Johnny Ellis                                                          
                                                                               
 SENATE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Senator Loren Leman, Vice-Chairman                                            
 Senator Lyda Green                                                            
 Senator Jerry Ward                                                            
                                                                               
 HOUSE MEMBERS PRESENT                                                         
                                                                               
 Representative Con Bunde, Chairman                                            
 Representative Joe Green, Vice-Chairman                                       
 Representative Fred Dyson                                                     
 Representative Al Vezey                                                       
 Representative Tom Brice                                                      
 Representative J. Allen Kemplen                                               
                                                                               
 HOUSE MEMBERS ABSENT                                                          
                                                                               
 Representative Brian Porter                                                   
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 PRESENTATION BY "BUILDING BRIDGES"                                            
                                                                               
 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 Testimony was offered by the following persons:                               
                                                                               
 Jan McGillivary, Anchorage; Pat Kouris, Anchorage; Rebbecca                   
 Brennan, Kodiak; Cheryl Wheat, Fairbanks; Bernie Janzen, Wasilla;             
 DeAnn Heide, Cordova; Jeri Lanier, Fairbanks; Mary Synoground,                
 Fairbanks; Crystal Choate, Soldotna; Steve Bue, Anchorage; Patricia           
 Edwards, Anchorage; Joseph Coolidge, Anchorage; Richard Warrington,           
 Kenai; Sig Torgramsen, Anchorage; Tina McKinney, Fairbanks; Susan             
 Berg, Anchorage; Jacquolene Townsend, Juneau; Vannessa Roney,                 
 Kenai; Frankie Doulin, Anchorage; Sabrina Rodgers, Juneau; Ken                
 Lemieux, Juneau; and Vince Osterhaut, Juneau                                  
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
 TAPE 97-30, SIDE A                                                            
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILKEN called the Joint Senate and House Health, Education           
 and Social Services Committee to order at 3:40 p.m.  After                    
 welcoming guests and introducing members of the joint committee,              
 Chairman Wilken invited the first presenters to come forward and              
 begin.                                                                        
                                                                               
 JAN MCGILLIVARY, Coordinator of the "Building Bridges" Campaign for           
 Mental Health for 1997 explained it is a group of mental health               
 consumers, their family members, their advocates and providers that           
 have traveled to Juneau four years in a row to educate about issues           
 affecting Alaskans who experience mental illnesses and emotional              
 disturbances.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Ms. McGillivary said the "Building Bridges" group is in support of            
 budget recommendations as forwarded earlier by the Alaska Mental              
 Health Board and the Alaska Mental Health Trust Authority, and they           
 encourage the restoration of Medicaid cuts that have made                     
 previously, specifically in the options that cover eye glasses,               
 hearing aids and acute dental needs.  Further, they encourage the             
 continued support for community-based mental health services.                 
                                                                               
 Number 075                                                                    
                                                                               
 PAT KOURIS of Anchorage said her purpose in appearing before the              
 committee was to request that funding for community-based mental              
 health services be maintained, and to speak on behalf of her son              
 who started having mental problems at the age of 21 and is                    
 currently in the Alaska Psychiatric Institute (API) in Anchorage.             
 He is now 24 years old and is well on the road to recovery and                
 participating in transitional community-based services.  Ms. Kouris           
 pointed out that it is much less expensive to treat her son and               
 others with mental illness in the community with supportive mental            
 health services rather than in the hospital setting.  She said one            
 of the reasons these services are necessary is because of the                 
 stigma of mental illness and the need for someone to act as a                 
 buffer on the journey of recovery to full participation in a                  
 meaningful life.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 175                                                                    
                                                                               
 REBBECCA BRENNAN of Kodiak said previous to her slide into                    
 depression she was a working mother who was active in many                    
 community organizations and projects.  She was eventually diagnosed           
 with manic depression, has been hospitalized five times, and has              
 attempted suicide two times.  Because of allergies and drug                   
 sensitivities it has been very hard for the doctors to get the                
 right mix of drugs for her, and she is currently taking 19 drugs              
 per day.  As a result of her illness, she has had to quit her job             
 and go on long-term disability.  Her husband is a state employee,             
 but they have found that Aetna, the state's insurance carrier, has            
 severely limited benefits for persons with mental nervous                     
 disorders, limiting it to a $50,000 life time benefit.  She pointed           
 out the cost of one of her hospital visits was $25,000.                       
                                                                               
 Number 250                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHERYL WHEAT of Fairbanks stated she is a consumer of mental health           
 services, having been diagnosed with major depression, anxiety and            
 post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).  She related that when she             
 had her mental breakdown her financial circumstances changed                  
 dramatically:  she lost her good credit rating, she couldn't pay              
 her debts, and she recently filed for bankruptcy.  Before she                 
 qualified for Medicaid she could not afford the medicine,                     
 therefore, she did not take any and her condition continued to go             
 downhill.   Once Medicaid kicked in, her doctor prescribed drugs              
 which helped her and allowed her to function in her own home, as              
 well as work part time.  Ms. Wheat said that if not Medicaid, adult           
 public assistance and her social security disability, she would               
 either be living on the streets, in API, or in jail.  Last year she           
 received a grant for dental work, and her eyes are bothering her              
 now, but she has been told that no grant money is available at this           
 time to have her eyes checked.                                                
                                                                               
 Ms. Wheat noted that last year the Alaska Mental Health Trust                 
 Authority offered $1 million to provide for some services that have           
 been cut by Medicaid if the state and federal governments would               
 each match the $1 million, and she questioned why the Legislature             
 hasn't acted on this offer as yet.  She said it seems like good               
 business sense to her, a $1 million investment for a $3 million               
 return on services.                                                           
                                                                               
 Number 295                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BUNDE commented that the reduction is Medicaid services              
 has been a sore spot for a lot of legislators, and he has been told           
 by the chairman of the House Finance Committee that there will be             
 specific legislation addressing Medicaid benefits for eye glasses,            
 hearing aids and dental work.                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 304                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BRICE pointed out the legislation doesn't make                 
 specific recommendations for those services, and the Legislature              
 still has not addressed the whole Medicaid options list, so he                
 thinks it is premature at this point in time to say that those                
 options will be paid.                                                         
                                                                               
 Number 325                                                                    
                                                                               
 BERNIE JANZEN of Wasilla informed the committee that she is the               
 adoptive mom of two reactive attachment disorder children.  She               
 said the violent behaviors that can occur without warning causes              
 her family to live in a battlefield, not knowing when the next                
 grenade is going to go off.  These children are bright, charming              
 and totally self-absorbed, and they are children who have no                  
 remorse.  She cautioned that unless reactive attachment disorder              
 children are treated through mental health, they will be reactive             
 attachment adults, and the over-populations of prisons who house              
 undiagnosed RAD adults is overwhelming.  She said there is hope for           
 these children with appropriate mental health treatment, and she              
 urged support for the recommendations of the Alaska Mental Health             
 and Trust Authority budgets.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 366                                                                    
                                                                               
 DEANN HEIDE of Cordova said she has been diagnosed as chronic major           
 depression, anxiety disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder.              
 Prior to her diagnosis she was director of nursing of hospitals,              
 but has lost her licensure because of her mental illness.  Over the           
 last five years she has been hospitalized multiple times, and due             
 to the limited local community resources, she has been handcuffed             
 and jailed overnight prior to being transported to API.  She noted            
 she makes $20 too much a month on her disability to qualify for               
 Medicaid assistance, and therefore five months of her disability              
 went toward her own medical care.  Currently, she has recovered               
 adequately to work part time at a domestic violence and sexual                
 assault center.  Most of her time is donated hours because she is             
 virtually unemployable in her community.  Ms. Heide said with the             
 new welfare initiatives Alaska has written a draft called the                 
 Alaska Plan.  There are 7,000 people in the state eligible to go              
 work in the first year of that, but in that plan there are no                 
 incentives, nothing offered to individuals to employ the disabled.            
 She said she would like to see the Alaska Plan address the                    
 disabled.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 400                                                                    
                                                                               
 JERRY LANIER of Fairbanks said two of her three children are                  
 severely emotionally disturbed.  Her oldest son, who is now 21                
 years old, started receiving services when he was 12 years old.               
 Because of the help he received when he was younger, he is now                
 completely functional, on his own, has a job, and is not needing              
 any support services from the state.  However, her daughter was               
 assaulted and in need of counseling, but with all of the budgets              
 cuts that have occurred and because her mother makes $10 a month              
 too much for Medicaid services, the daughter has not been able to             
 receive the same help that her brother received.   Ms. Lanier has             
 had to send her daughter out of state to live with her parents who            
 are now helping raise her child, and her greatest hope is that the            
 Medicaid funding is put back in place and that grants become                  
 available again so that her daughter can return home and receive              
 the services she needs with her family.                                       
                                                                               
 Number 432                                                                    
                                                                               
 MARY SYNOGROUND of Fairbanks stated she has been in the mental                
 health system since 1957.  In 1988 her doctor provided her with a             
 counselor and a case manager to help her stabilize and get out of             
 the hospital.  She has maintained her mental health since then, and           
 she said it is much cheaper to provide these out-patient services             
 to people like her than it is to keep them in hospitals.                      
                                                                               
 Number 444                                                                    
                                                                               
 CRYSTAL CHOATE of Soldotna said the state of Alaska has set an                
 excellent example of taking care of its own, and she asked the                
 committee to remember the mentally ill from the seriously                     
 incapacitated to the mildly depressed souls.  She said they would             
 be lost without the Medicaid assistance for the programs they                 
 participate in.  The community outreach program of the Central                
 Peninsula Counseling Services has helped her by socializing with              
 others who have experienced the same rejection from society because           
 of their illness, and it has made her realize that she is not                 
 alone.  If she hadn't found the community outreach program through            
 a friend, she would have been hospitalized, her children would have           
 been put in foster care at a greater cost to the state than the               
 Central Peninsula Counseling Services provide for her now.  She               
 told of the affects her illness had on family and friends, but she            
 said that has all changed over the past year with the positive                
 impact of the assistance she has received.  Ms. Choate urged the              
 continued funding of programs for the mentally ill and                        
 reinstatement of Medicaid funding for sight, hearing and dentistry.           
                                                                               
 Number 492                                                                    
                                                                               
 STEVE BUE of Anchorage told of his being diagnosed three years ago            
 as paranoid schizophrenic, hearing voices and the fear for his                
 life.  He said because of medications available, treatment provided           
 by South Central Counseling Center and the support of his family,             
 he is alive and living a normal life.  He works 20 hours a week and           
 he is a taxpayer.  He emphasized that without mental health                   
 services provided by the state he would not be here today.                    
                                                                               
 Number 498                                                                    
                                                                               
 PATRICIA EDWARDS of Anchorage said her untreated schizophrenia and            
 depression left her homeless and close to death.  With assistance             
 from South Central Counseling Center she has been placed on                   
 medications to control her illness.  She said her community-based             
 mental health center has helped her receive housing assistance                
 while she has been volunteering to improve her working skills.  She           
 expressed her appreciation to the Legislature for making it                   
 possible for her to have another chance and for the time it takes             
 to recover.                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 515                                                                    
                                                                               
 JOE COOLIDGE of Anchorage spoke of his mental illness and how                 
 little things make him nervous.  He said talk about making cuts to            
 Medicare and Medicaid scares him.  Before being diagnosed as manic            
 depressive, he worked and supported him family.  After being sent             
 to API several times his wife divorced him.  He told of how various           
 community counseling programs have helped him get his life back               
 together.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 558                                                                    
                                                                               
 RICHARD WARRINGTON of Kenai told of his traumatic brain injury                
 (TBI), the invisible disability, which he received in 1978.  He was           
 recently appointed to the National Brain Injury Association                   
 Ambassador Program, representing the TBI survivors and the families           
 of survivors around the state of Alaska.  There are approximately             
 700 to 1,000 Alaskans who receive a TBI each year.  He has been in            
 Alaska for 12 years and  has experienced the lack of knowledge,               
 support or assistance in all agencies for TBI survivors in the                
 state.  He said he was appearing before the committee to advocate             
 for the brain injured and their families, to secure and develop               
 community-based services, to support research leading to better               
 outcomes that enhance the lives of people who have sustained a                
 brain injury, and to promote prevention of brain injury through               
 public awareness, education and legislation.  He pointed out that             
 the TBI Act was signed into law in 1996, and the state of Alaska is           
 eligible to receive funds through this Act, but first it must set             
 up an advisory board to appropriate these  funds.                             
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-30, SIDE B                                                            
 Number 585                                                                    
                                                                               
 SIG TORGRAMSEN of Anchorage told of how he started having problems            
 when he was 17 years old and started seeing counselors.  The                  
 problem continued for years before he actually received any                   
 psychiatric medication of any kind.  He went through a heavy                  
 equipment training school, becoming a journeyman operator; however,           
 his handicap has become worse so he is not capable of being an                
 operating engineer anymore.  He noted he has been hospitalized over           
 42 times in the past 23 years, and he said that if it wasn't for              
 places like API and South Central Counseling Center, he'd probably            
 be dead.  He urged continued mental health funding for counseling             
 centers and community-based mental health support systems.                    
                                                                               
 Number 560                                                                    
                                                                               
 SUSAN BERG of Anchorage said she is both a consumer of mental                 
 health and medical services and a psychiatrist.   She told of                 
 traveling from New York and being severely beaten in Seattle,                 
 Washington.  She said she has been at the bottom of the pile at API           
 and at the top.  She wants to go to work because she is doctor who            
 can generate income, not just collect Medicaid and Medicare.  She             
 said she needs the help and support to get back into the work force           
 because of the stigma attached to her illness.                                
                                                                               
 Number 542                                                                    
                                                                               
 TINA MCKINNEY of Fairbanks informed the committee that four years             
 ago she took physical custody of her sister's two boys, ages 4 and            
 8, who had severe  emotional disabilities.  She then spent nearly             
 $10,000 in legal fees to gain legal custody.  The boys have a                 
 history of violence, repeated sexual assaults by men and women,               
 pornography, physical abuse, etc.  She said the boys are                      
 intelligent, funny and insightful, but they are also violent,                 
 destructive, they lie and steal, and they act out sexually.  Among            
 services received for the boys are home-based activity therapy,               
 crisis intervention, a team approach to case coordination and                 
 respite care.  Ms. McKinney said without these services, she would            
 be unable to maintain a full-time job and safely maintain her                 
 children in her home.  She also told of her sister's and mother's             
 mental problems, and she urged support of community-based mental              
 health services so that families like hers can break the cycle of             
 abuse and mental illness.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 516                                                                    
                                                                               
 JACQUOLENE TOWNSEND of Juneau said besides being a mental health              
 consumer she is a mental health professional.  She said she never             
 finished high school, left home, was homeless and did a lot of                
 inappropriate things.  She was on welfare and eventually got her              
 GED, then she became an LPN, then she became an RN, then she got a            
 degree in psychology and became a certified psychiatric nurse.  Her           
 medications cost between $150 and $200 a month, but she has good              
 health insurance and can pay for them.  She pointed out that back             
 in the late seventies and the early eighties there was good support           
 for people who were mentally ill, and she stressed the need to find           
 a way to help these people who don't have medical insurance buy               
 their medications and keep them employable.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 482                                                                    
                                                                               
 VANNESSA RONEY of Kenai said she was dually diagnosed borderline              
 personality, manic depressive about six years ago.  After being in            
 and out of hospitals for 10 years, she finally got that diagnosis.            
 Then after spending several years feeling sorry for herself, she              
 was referred to the community outreach program through the Central            
 Peninsula Counseling Services which changed her life.  The program            
 showed her her life doesn't end with mental illness, it begins                
 anew.  She was a college graduate, but she didn't have a job, and             
 through this program she learned self-worth and it gave her hope              
 and ambition.  She said she wanted to thank anybody who has voted             
 for funds for the mentally ill because she feels like she owes them           
 her life and her gratitude.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 445                                                                    
                                                                               
 FRANKIE DOULIN of Anchorage related that after living many years in           
 Morningside and API she now lives in her own home with a friend.              
 Her case manager in Anchorage has helped her in many ways such as             
 getting her daily medications, paying bills, taking her to the                
 doctor, taking her shopping, etc.  She said she would be lost                 
 without her case manager, and she implored the committee members              
 not to take away her case manager or other Medicaid benefits.                 
                                                                               
 Number 417                                                                    
                                                                               
 SABRINA RODGERS of Juneau, speaking on behalf of the Juneau                   
 Alliance For The Mentally Ill (JAMI), lives in a half-way house for           
 the mentally disabled.  She spoke to the need for financing for               
 housing for the mentally disabled, which is called MICA housing               
 because it is an alcohol and drug free environment.  Approximately            
 200 mentally ill clients need continued support through JAMI, which           
 offers numerous programs that provide opportunities to its clients.           
 She asked that the Legislature take a proactive approach in                   
 preventative funding because  hospitalization is much more costly             
 than local care.                                                              
                                                                               
 Number 398                                                                    
                                                                               
 KEN LEMIEUX of Juneau expressed his appreciation for the help, and            
 friendship he has received over the last 11 years as a mentally ill           
 client.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 391                                                                    
                                                                               
 VINCE OSTERHAUT of Juneau said that since the age of 15 he has made           
 23 suicide attempts, and he estimated that the state of Alaska has            
 probably paid close to half a million dollars to cover his                    
 hospitalizations and emergency surgery.  He said he is currently              
 homeless, and that there is a need for more services and housing in           
 the community.   He receives social security, but he would rather             
 be a working, functioning member of society.  However, there is a             
 stigma attached to mental illness.  He has worked in jobs where               
 because he has a preexisting condition, he is denied medical                  
 insurance.  He stressed the importance of the mentally ill being              
 functioning members of society, not just locked up in places like             
 API and medicated until they can't even remember their own names.             
 He said he has slipped through the cracks in the system because he            
 is what is called "high functioning" and 90 percent of the services           
 are aimed towards "low functioning" clients.                                  
                                                                               
 Number 345                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILKEN and CHAIRMAN BUNDE expressed their appreciation to            
 the "Building Bridges" people who appeared before the joint                   
 committee.  The meeting then adjourned at 4:52 p.m.                           

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